The quality of his work surpasses anything I have had from the Row, or any of the big name French or Italian tailors often named here. By the way, Sian is the other cutter at Whitcomb now, and is very good in my experience. Next Magento currency ins not converting and in all websites still the same I am no expert in cloth so I can very easily have been mistaken and, of course, you know better than I what you have being made. Hi Stephen, Londons Best New Tailors Arent on Savile Row. A little drape like Henry Poole uses is fine, but not more. And often they vary in service depending on who does the outfitting. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, Whitcomb & Shaftesbury is based on George Street in Mayfair, just a few paces from Savile Row, and offers two bespoke services: its Savile Row Bespoke service, which is made in the conventional fashion in on-site workrooms, and Classic Bespoke, which is cut in London and made in the brands workshop in Chennai, India. PS Presents 23: Arterton, LEJ, Marrkt, Fox and Rubato, Click on an image to enlarge. Youre really in the market for made to measure, not bespoke. But when in 1760 Read More. Thank you for getting back to me. You could also look at Kent Haste & Lachter, who would be more similar to that style. This is the process by which my suit was also made. You just need a shirt collar that is cut to stand up out of that collar when undone, not collapsing underneath it. I am a long time reader of your blog, and I am delighted to say that I am going to be getting my first bespoke suit this fall from W&S based on your review. Moreover, thanks to the well-oiled workings of the Chennai workshop, New York customers who place orders during the first leg of the trunk show (November 16-19), will be able to have their pieces fitted when the brothers pass back through New York between November 29 and December 1, negating a long wait (most tailors wont return to fit clients till spring 2022). This kind of service level is something that can quickly drop out with cheaper offerings. Any other recommendations? It is made to the same standards, by people with the same training, with most of it (pattern, cutting, fitting, alteration) still done in London and the heavy-lifting done in India. And even if she were a bespoke cutter, Id still have confidence saying W&C is better value for money. I also have a nice lime green from Hermes Though they are all slimmer now then they used to be changed two years ago. Vergallo would be a great starting point. Apologies if these are ignorant questions, but this will be my first foray into bespoke (thanks to the amazing information youve provided on this website)! Apr 11, 2018 - Whitcomb & Shaftesbury final suit - great value bespoke. Would you have any advice for what I should ask for if you dont think their house style fits with that criteria? Photography: Jack Lawson. (Which one imagines is the standard 6-9 weeks. Yes, shes been a cutter for about 10 years. Back in October there was a lot of interest around my post on the bespoke service at Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. Their 'classic bespoke' service, which involves cutting the suit in London (by a very experienced Row cutter), and then having it largely made in India (in a workshop run by a Row tailor) promised fantastic value at 1350 + VAT for a suit. Id always recommend that you stick to a tailors house style as much as possible. Shoe and boot reviews, mostly of the high-end, British, Goodyear welted variety . Hi Simon From left, Suresh Ramakrishnan, John McCabe, Bob Bigg and Mahesh Ramakrishnan. Thanks for your blog Simon! We felt that lack of advice offered us a huge gap in the market.. Thank you. Simon are you familiar with Redmayne 1860s MTM service and, if so, between Redmaynes 1860 Acclaim MTM and W&S classic bespoke, which would be better quality? Someone asked that recently on the post announcing their US tour. Dear Simon, If I request a little less drape, is the W&S suit then comparable to a Henry Poole or G&H suit? Back in the day, Kilgour French and Stanbury cut with a good bit of drape. It is not bespoke as with Floris and leads customers to the existing range via a Q and A. How would you compare the style and quality of a W&S suit to either A&S or Steven Hitchcock? Includes access to the digital magazine. Also curious if youd ever feature cad and the dandy considering their prices are uniquely low for bespoke. I dont want any slim, modern stuff. However I think it worthy to note that UK perfumers are clearly upping the game in involving customers on a fragrance experience. The chest, lapel and collar are still hand-padded; the buttonholes are finely hand-stitched; every other area of finishing youd expect from Savile Row bespoke (eg hand-stitching the lining of the waistband) is there. So be prepared that its a risk. Thank you very much for all your great advice! No, not necessarily. Every hem and lining felled by hand, buttonhole sewn with silk and trouser hand-sewn with curtained waistbands. The feeling I got when discussing some of these details with the team at W&S was one of denial of some of the problems. As a footnote Shortlist today have an article on Penhaligons free fragrance profiling service. If youve seen an example you like from either, however, then go for it. The style is slightly different, in that W&S tend to cut with a little less drape, less of a wide shoulder. One of the reasons rate Whitcomb is the presence of cutter John McCabe. Would Rubinacci London do the trick better than Russell at Graham Browne, with whom Ive already had one rushed suit made in the past? In my case, a long body and short legs! Size given is an estimate. Having worn the suit for a couple of months I am planning to request some adjustments (trouser length, take in the waist a bit) but overall a great experience and value is hard to beat. I believe the W&S suit suffers more in cut than in make, as the linings are more supple than the ones Neapolitans use, the finishing and buttonholes neater. thanks! Thats the reason why I considered W&S, but I dont like the drape cut. Do you see any difference between Sian and John in terms of their eye and pattern and fitting quality (from what Ive read on the website, Sian seems to have a more modern style compared to John)? Hi Salvatore, I mean, top quality stuff for about a 1/3 of the price. Wondered if you had any thoughts ? The real benefits of bespoke are in the long term, for example when you have gone through it once or twice, and know exactly what you want and what to ask about during the sessions. Congrats on the blog. Youll find a few reviewed here, most obviously W&S, Graham Browne, Choppin & Lodge, and Manning & Manning. Great post Simon, really enjoyed. Not a toile. Sartoria Dalcuore and W & S; both very interesting articles. Hi Lewis, Back in October there was a lot of interest around my post on the bespoke service at Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. This is something most tailors dont do, but you do occasionally see it used on particularly soft or lightweight cloths. I am debating a single or double breasted suit in dark navy for my wedding. Much more Italian style, soft and more curved. Ill post pictures of the second one later, but there are so few differences that its barely worth pointing them out. in the style breakdown series. 1. I am new to London and to tailored suits and so have been reading your site obsessively. Simon. I ask because W&S have offered me the option of seeing Sian initially and then having John do the pattern and fitting later, but my instinct says it would make more sense to have the same person doing both. Their sessions do include fittings. Really like the balance and proportions of this particular suit, perhaps it would be worthy of a style breakdown sometime? On the style questions, eg pockets, have you looked through the Suit Style series of posts? Used to work with John at Kilgour, then at Thom Sweeney and at McQueen for a bit, So I presume you would have no hesitation in using W&S even if you were not working with John McCabe, Would you recommend W&S for a relaxed soft shouldered cashmere jacket to be worn with chinos and jeans? Im thinking very seriously about commissioning a suit from W&S, using their Classic Bespoke service. Impressive finish, congratulations! Thank you for your help and the great website. And I would also sound a general warning that getting a satisfying result when asking a cutter to do a different style than what theyre used to is very hard. Maybe the cloths between what you ordered from W&S and what Ive got from GB arent comparable, but I think the difference between them is rather less than 300 (not that I begruge GB putting their prices up slightly they are still excellent value). I will do something longer on his system though, so I can give as many details as possible. Thanks as always, In London, just them and city tailors like Graham Browne. Or perhaps heard anything about his work? And would the W&S offshore bespoke offering be vastly different in quality from a from a fully bespoke suit from someone like KH&L? This is very close to my ideal suit, though I wouldnt get the lap seam on the back, and Id get flapped hacking pockets. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Bespoke 2 Button Sport Coat 48 S. Fabric is soft with a fur appearance. Hi Richard From the H&S Classic Worsteds bunch do recall if this was the navy, dark navy or midnight? Or are they at a much higher price point than W&S? Tim Everest offered a 10/11oz super 120 fabric for 1450+VAT with full canvas and extra trousers done in six weeks at a factory in Czech. At this stage of your life, I wouldnt stretch to one of the others. A) Its hard, and I think people do and should rely on reviews more for that reason. Their classic, bespoke suits and coats will be accurately fitted to the exact measurements of your body. The company has remained a family-run business since their establishment in 1806. Its unlikely theyll be able to do it in much of a rush though, given it has to go back to Naples each time to be made. Go for a 9/10 ounce worsted if you want it to wear all through the year. Just a suggestion! Im more interested in the actual craft. I hope someday to access (and afford) some pure Neapolitan tailoring but in our globalized world, even from a post-modern perspective purity is a questionable concept regardless. And hands out of pockets do allow a superior view of cut and style.. nice one. Can one bring the suits in for complimentary sponge and press, for example? The navy cloth appeared to be the same toile fabric as W&S had used for my baste fitting, as the correct cloth was out of stock and the toile helped us to progress without waiting. However, I will not be returning to W&S because I believe the suit was compromised in cut, not so much in make. From what Ive read on your blog and others, I think W&S are the superior tailor and Id rather compromise my style and get a better quality suit. Its not the end of the world, but it certainly bugs me to face an issue which I did not face with RTW- a collar gap. Another question: in another post you mention desiring to be measured at the house itself; a friend of yours had gone to a trunk show and did not receive good results with fit. What am I missing? Follow. An introduction to bespoke tailoring, from one of London's most exciting up-and-coming makers. Vergallo doesnt get enough attention they remain excellent value. Got it, thanks. With a business suit I can see the clear value add with the handpadding of canvas and shoulders, but for softer tailoring of less canvassing and natural shoulders, (overall less structure) the compromise should not be as drastic? Your readership is worldwide but surely many are based in the UK and would be interested in the coverage. This article maybe one of the most significant you have written in terms of opening up bespoke suiting to a market that couldnt justify the 3k plus cost of a row suit, irrespective of relative value. What are your thoughts on Huntsman 100 (I think thats what its called right) anyway? The suit was very large in the shoulders, it had no shape in the body, but the first fitting is for the tailor, so I left it to her to do her job and I had lost some weight. Coats Read More Great width and shape of the lapels with a nice roll, and well balanced gorge (dont you think the modern gorge placement is too high?). One thing I worry about is whether their business model and pricing is viable in the long term. I havent Im afraid apart from Luxire part of the problem is theres a lot of them so its hard to say anything comprehensive. Let me know if that doesnt answer your question Just an idea. I might someday soon be able to have a quality bespoke suit as this falls within my budget. I ask because our access to Neapolitan tailors in Los Angeles is limited but I wanted something I could wear in summer similar to the way youve been wearing your charcoal G+H linen suit. These might include intricate monograms, unique button placements, or other personal touches that make the suit truly one-of-a-kind. Pinterest. possibly a slightly unusual choice Id like you to ask about, purely subjective of course: for a first bespoke commission, if your budget was a tad higher then W&S classic say 2000-3000 would you still choose them (and add an extra trouser to get to 2k+) or go with one of the cheaper Italian tailors, say Vergallo or Solito, (at around 2200 2500) or give a young / next generation Saville Row cutter a chance (e.g. There is a lot of confusion about the difference between tailored and bespoke. Richard. Fit not good. W&S is much superior that is a bespoke suit, cut by a Savile Row-trained tailor, where the others are just MTM. Yes Stuart, Ill certainly do one. In terms of an every day style for work, would you so this would be more suitable than Edward Sexton? People even complain when they find out some of the work is being done just off Carnaby Street, rather than in a basement off Savile Row. Hi Calvin, Am I safe to give them full and total control and have the suit made in their house style, or will I end up regretting it? Hi Simon. Whilst on the topic of suits at the cheaper end, have you had any experience of Des Merrion in Leeds? Thanks for your time, JK. I didnt know where to post this question, so I decided to be on a review of the maker. The workshop is a cooperative, so all the tailors own part of the company, and we guarantee full salaries for all our staff, rather than paying piece work. Whitcomb also pays for the education of all its employees children and the brothers have established an additional scheme that rehabilitates women who are either victims of trafficking or at high risk. However, they didnt provide much design input during the process, and i really had to manage and push the project along. I noticed that the Saman Emel jacket (22 January 2018) gives more prominence to your shoulders and to my eyes, a more balanced presentation. Any thoughts as to where I might find one? Every aspect of the garment from the fabric to the style is customized and tailored for your unique body. PREVIOUS NEXT Related Post And if the Italians with their inherent expressiveness dress brightly, boldly Read More, Mens accessories: the image of a man It is undeniable that the image consists of details. Is sufficient to have the master coatmaker in the fittings or you absolutely need to see the cutter? I am not sure what it is made of but it is soft and plush. There is a difference between a custom suit and a bespoke suit, though the two terms are often used interchangeably. Ill reflect more on the overall style of Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, and where it sits relative to other tailors I have tried, when I publish the pictures of the Savile Row Bespoke suit. Free shipping for many products! I understand none of the cutters will come on this trip but Bob will be present for the initial consultation and measurement. I have received and worn the suit, and can highly recommend it. Subscribe to RR1 Live+ for exclusive virtual events all year long (at least 1 per month), conversations with Robb Report editors, special perks, and more. Black mens jeans: how to choose and with what to wear? Some advice if you would; Im looking to get a suit (tan cord) garment dyed thinking blue, dark green or dark grey (not to be worn for work). I havent had a suit or jacket made in a while. Outstanding blog, Simon. Did the tailoring being done on the subcontinent mean that the suit took longer to make compared to their S. Row Bespoke? As a more extreme example how does it compare to your C&M and Cifonelli suits: if you say its nearly as good that may change everything!! Ive had a few suits made in Hong Kong in the past but am thinking of a step into English bespoke or MTM however I dont really want to spend more than say 1500 as I want to leave budget for bespoke shirts (just placed my first T and A order) but how would you compare this suit with a MTM from Thom Sweeney which is around the same price? Thanks. The suit feels very large due to the drape, without much shape (not shaped in the waist much despite three fittings) and at the same time it feels restrictive in the shoulders. Today. With a virtually unlimited choice of fabrics and style, there is no limitation except your imagination. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA Enterprise and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. Even in todays culture of instant gratification, a large majority of the worlds best-dressed men still go to the effort and expense of having their clothes custom-made. Apologies if Ive missed it somewhere but what is the lapel width here? Now, the brand is returning to America for the first time in over two years, as are many British artisans. Though no, its a noticeable but not huge difference to go for 11oz rather than 13oz, I have suits in both. Interesting to see how well a lime tie works too; I wouldnt have considered that. I like the lap seem as an added detail to subtly highlight the craftsmanship and wonder whether this would be acceptable on a double breasted suit? When he died, his son, also named George, inherited the property and began to lease out parcels of land to tailors. which is better in your opinion? The navy suit turned out lovely and is a comfortable business staple. I like the house styles of Henry Poole and G&H, but I hoped to get the first bespoke suits a little bit cheaper. Thanks Simon. Thanks! Subscribe now and get up to 61% off the cover price. I think theyd certainly do a very good job. See how much you wear it and what you enjoy about it, at least for a while. Hi Simon, can i suggest an article on what are realistic expectations for bespoke services, and how to get the most out of bespoke-made items? Equally, as Im probably going to take the leap, if youd like any feedback from me on it, Id be more than happy to share. As I showed back in 2016 when I had suits made in both, there is no quality difference between the two. I dont know if thats the right thing to do but thats my gut feeling! Yes, for the first-timer expectations can certainly be too high, which was the case for me. This is a price bracket that most of your readers could stretch to and so we need more of this from yourself . At Maison Bonnet, for example, the process would be a lot more involved. "For bespoke needs, Suresh and I opened Whitcomb & Shaftesbury on Savile Row. How would you compare W&S to Steven Hitchcock based on style and quality? Interesting point. I have gone for a three piece with extra trousers in the classic bespoke and this makes me feel happy! Should the button and buttonhole align when the jacket is unbuttoned? Worth stating again perhaps that no judgments on fit should be made from photos. In terms of house styling, who would you compare W&S to? W&S will still be more formal than pretty much anything Vergallo will produce. new to bespoke), but i would certainly be interested to know more about 1) what to realistically expect from bespoke, and 2) how to get the most from the process. Thanks!! They seem stylistically similar (soft w some drape), and affordable. Thats where John worked until 2010, and it is still his style. No worries Ravi. Hi Simon. 4,523 Followers, 192 Following, 829 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Whitcomb Shaftesbury -Bespoke (@whitcombshaftesbury) whitcombshaftesbury. There is Mori, which Maslow So is trying to do out of China but thats not fully launched yet. solito e.2500 for suit, e2100 for jacket. Here Are 5 You Should Know, and Where to Find Them. Although I agree, Simon, about expecting no artists or artisans, tailors or otherwise, to takes bribes that stretch their natural styles beyond zones of comfort/ experience but with W & S I clearly wasnt asking too much. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Artisanal Bespoke The Whitcomb & Shaftesbury suit epitomises the idea of slow fashion, a backlash against the disposable trends of recent years. And a pair of flannel trousers? Im all for casting a wider net but lets keep it in the round. The prices are comparable. Looking back at this, would you still have gotten the suit in 13oz instead of something like a 10/11oz? 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