Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. And not to everybody's taste. Oh, that right there, slap some quotations around that. What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them, play out the same way. They couldn't deploy it. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. And one evening, they were throwing a party and invited me over. He buried them or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. Well, all right. Because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it This trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy that's released, it could be used for life or death. And while David's sitting in the bedroom with this friend, the guy looks up at him, and he says-, Like through his teeth, "I'm going to kill her.". But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. I don't think I ever had a fantasy that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. But, you know, over the entire ocean there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. Hey this is Jad, RadioLab is supported by IBM. And then it was several hours later, in the middle of the night, that I got the call. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. And I was just astonished-. This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. Now, Haber was Jewish, but because he had served in World War I-. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. Literally disappeared for six months and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. It's a little bit more direct. So my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John [Matsen 00:58:19], they start using a line, a tact of interviewing that was very. That I remember picking her up and-. You're telling this [inaudible 01:02:30]. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. Go on please. Yet you go into this anyway, knowing full well that it could-, "That is true. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. No. And why I cared for her because I dated her before, but this day didn't turn out right. So he starts experimenting. Visit our website. And Haber has an idea. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. When we asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60 percent. All right. Okay? Can't keep holding it all in. But what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. We want what Elizabethans got at the scaffold, which was a confession. When I said, "Goodbye." So, he starts experimenting. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12 by 2050. "This was a moment in German history," he says, "When Jews had a decent amount of freedom.". ", "Even- even when their sorrows almost were forgot. And a mysterious past. Robert Krulwich: Uh, wait. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. Then a few months later, he started calling me trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. It is a fair question to ask, "What are the conditions under which you, or me, or any of us could do-. The shocker would say, "Hell no I don't.". So you don't know? In that, "Why?" Trivalent. The Bad Show. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. You know, I'm really proud of Job. I'll give you bad. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. And the number of chemical reactions. [inaudible 00:59:42] Christensen. Takes command of them partially. I do have a choice. So, who is- who is this guy right here? This- this is really important. They will spare his son if he fessed up and tells them what they need to know. So wait. Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, You know, you could find it in cow manure or-. They reached back to the shelf and they find this Zyklon stuff. So- so first of all, could you just like, uh, when did he live and what did he look like and that kind of stuff? That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. Whatever it is. And he says, "Because of the rage." So there's a way in which there's a touch of spark of humanity. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. So, they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow. Dan doesn't think so. Yes. How many of them went into that kind of detail? And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". An mlsconsumeraccess.org number 3030. Investigating a strange world. Who are you?". It has enough what they used to call then solar energy. Right. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" Like, you can't throw that air onto a plant (laughing). Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he'd definitely hear him. I mean, it's the fact that of course that they're administering main to a strange. So read these words that you see here. And my views about human nature are that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. And even though in the end they got him to confess to these 49 murders, they never really get any closer to an answer than this first why. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. Does he- is he saying what I think he's saying? So, Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. They couldn't deploy it, they couldn't deploy it. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. He could do anything. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some RadioLab credits. And they go, "Why?" And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. And the infinity of gray spaces in between. They spent the next six months interrogating him. So, I heard this one from this guy named David-. Clara comes from the same town. It's about 1880. Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. In fact we hate being told. with Lulu Miller, and Latif Nasser. This was one of the bloodiest arenas on the, uh, Western front. Because if you ask university undergraduates, "What does the Milgram studies show?" Why does God allow this to happen? It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. And my father was recruited to the task force. I'm not going to give you- I'm- I'm not going to help restore the sense that there is a moral order to the world and a moral norm. And that's what Shakespeare did in all his plays. You know what? Yeah, I agree with that. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? Uh, if I don't leave my house right now, I'm going to kill her." I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk. Wasn't satisfied [inaudible 01:01:21] maybe mad 'cause she was very much in a hurry. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. I killed her. I don't know, I can't help but feel bad for the guy. Visit our website. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. We, as- as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of god-like, uh, sort of vision of, like, well of course what they're doing is wrong. "Do you think that more studies of this sort should be carried out?" He was in this state of fury, he said, and instead of hitting his wife, he smashed his fist into the bathroom mirror, and then realized that he had to leave the house, or he was going to do damage to her. And today, evil? Right? [inaudible 00:21:03] just cut it out. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. So, right around 1900. And she takes a service revolver-. They're going to record it okay. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies; that's what you do. He has a podcast. Pat, go ahead. And not just yeses. Addeddate 2012-10-10 05:15:40 Boxid OL100020610 Identifier wnycs-radiolab_the-bad-show Add Review 4 Views DOWNLOAD OPTIONS 1 file ITEM TILE 4 Files 4 Original And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? We have kids in the- in the room. Go. Birds would just fall from the air. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" Because this room's echo-y. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. His wife went into hiding. This is Radio Lab, and today elements. He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen, he just kind of went crazy, he had snapped; and almost blaming the victims. And even when they do say yes, even when they go along with the experiment, as you can see in the film. And you tell us, "Actually, no. And as he was in the kitchen, looking stupid, peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently, so that he wouldn't suspect anything. So you see it's just in that one experiment that 65 percent of people are willing to go all the way. It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. "I just needed to kill because of that." When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court to accuse Adolf Eichmann. Jeff Jensen's book is The Green River Killer, A True Detective Story. Like, you walked into the room, what- what do you find? He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called Yp-. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. Yep, women participants, he had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. He eventually goes to England. They're trying to do the right thing. So every day, they would bring them into this conference room-, This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway-. [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. A liquid. I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? Well talk about Fritz Haber. These are people who are incredibly noble, they are. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, Actually two nations in South America went to war-. He travels to the front. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." Any idea what the hell he was intending? I'm going to take a break. Accuracy and availability may vary. You better check in on him, sir. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. And everyone thought, "Well, we know the solution.". Hundreds of them were falling to the ground. Science. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. And today evil, although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing. We begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. So, it's very-. No one has ever said about a sex tape that I've ever, so no. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. And you like her. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". Fat- commit them to memory? He'll be our guide for the segment. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. It's like a downloadable from the internet instant defense for doing wrong, but if you look at Milgram's work closely. You know, this was like oil is today. Leaving his son alone with his dead mother. He would obscure. But there's been a fellow, I've been thinking about him for the better part of year, as you know-. You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. Under extreme, extreme pressure. Hi, my name's Josh and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. In- in other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. The- the leaves would just sort of shrivel and the grass was turning to the color of metal. Okay. And that's all the difference in the world. That's my opinion that's where I'm going to stand on it. So, around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. It's absolutely essential that you continue. Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". Gary says, "I needed to kill." But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting at the thought that he had anything to do with zyklon B; but he did. And my father wasn't buying it. I was just astonished. Would you really? with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get prod number three. And so, Gary starts going through this narrative of what he did to Carol. He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. And then the final one-. In Shakespeare, or life. Like, "Oh my God. In a rage, uh, how? And then he just trails off. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of usand the little bit of really,reallybad that's in some of us. You've touched me. Thanks also to reporter Aaron Scott for that story. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. Ear drums, God. His wife, um, went into hiding. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. Yes, and he did too. When you call someone, "Evil." Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouths. But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. And he said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is Of course, you don't want to do this. And they would circle yes or no. And there is no doubt that today's plants and animals carry the genetic legacy of ancestors who fought fiercely to survive and reproduce. Why did you do this?" He takes command of them partially, he travels to the front. Yeah let's . In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas. But the questions in the air, at the time, were very real. All right. And, um, why is it so important do you think to understand the why behind such an evil act? Uh, he was doing his- his great science work right around the turn of, uh, the 20th century. Only then does God speak up and kind of say, like, "You're gonna question me?" He seemed calm. Bread from the air was the phrase 'cause Haber had figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground, and grow wheat. And he did too. And says, "This is intolerable. And shortly after his return, Clara allegedly confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. God, I feel like we haven't, you and I sat together and said our names in quite some time. And to this day, they have not talked about that day, and he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. And you tell us, "Actually, you know under some circumstances, we don't do the bad thing we're told to do because, here's another flip, we don't have to be told. Iago. A lot of them are like, "This is not how you fight a war.". You- I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them and to someone else because they want to promote science. So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. With help from Shima Oliaee, Carter Hodge, and Lisa Yeger. And to make the problem even more annoying. To feed about 30 million people. To find page after page of yeses. ", And Satan is like, "Well I bet I can change his mind." Warning. There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think, you know, when you are enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, what is greater and what is good? So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. I've just got the, uh, the data from the Milgram. It's called Too Much Information. But if looked at from another perspective, there's a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. No motives. Radiolab.org. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12, by 2050. Yes I did lie about that. Would change where the shocker and the shock-ee sat. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter. Let's just finish this. And, um, in January of 1984, the Green River task force was formed. Eugene [inaudible 01:07:32], Sierra Hahn, and everyone in the manuscript and archives department at the Yale University Library. Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation-. He would deny things. So, every day they would bring him into this conference room. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. Finally, acknowledging, yeah, that's true. That the earth couldn't support this many people. I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." And he believed it. Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. Okay? And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. And, "Because women have stepped on me all my life." When I picked them up, I was going to kill them." And it's this defense. Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. Also from, uh, a Jewish family. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. In a rage how? But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for; and in a way we wait for it still, even now. And he is celebrated for it. And so, we've decided that it's time to go back to something we did once upon a time when we were wondering about good and bad. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? This is Radiolab. No. As far as I know, I don't know if I did or not. And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. This is Jeff Jensen and he's a reporter in LA. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. And to this day they have not talked about that day. I dated her several times a year. Time's up. It is- it is arguably the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. Also from Breslau. Do we know? By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. I would say in a powerful mood; we're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. Unusually so in those times. Probably have, but in case you haven't. I'm not going to go ahead with it. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress providing supportive comfort for every body type. All right, just to back up for one second. Whether the learner likes it or not, we must-, What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them-, Play out the same way. But harbor saw it as a wonderful success, and wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it, because he felt they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. Sounds insane. For when the subjects didn't want to continue? Some people describe it as a cloud, and then others describe it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land, and it's just sort of approaching. Um, I got a little, uh, I- my- this is my dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. Radiolab is supported by Audible. The time now is 0836 hours. So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? (laughs). And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. I got it in front of me, I've just got the data from the Milgram study. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. [inaudible 00:49:36] bad people in Shakespeare. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. The experiment requires that we continue. I don't know, I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed, I-. Before the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess, "I heartily regret the fact that I killed the young maiden or defamed the king." Whether it was feeding or killing or-, And he does. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. All rights reserved. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. We don't exactly know why. And he says, "That's what people wanted. You know, "I just want to kill her. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called-. Was he trying to make a commentary, and so was he grappling with something? Which was sort of asking these questions like, "What makes a person inherently good or bad? Today's date Is June 17, 2003. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. Now, we don't actually know if he threw a party. The experiment requires that we continue. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and sit them up right at the dear friend's door. It's 9:24 hours on June 17th, year 2003. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. Despite the chlorine gas, he didn't intend for that to happen. Radiolab is supported by Audible. Now, why don't you just- what do you remember since we last talked in this interview? ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. My father's trying to, like, reach out to him. Gary is dancing around this topic. You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. It was developed in his Institute. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. And actually this wasn't just a German thing, a lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people on the planet, at that point, that maybe we were maxing out, that the earth couldn't support this many people. He would have each subject sit down at a table. My students are murderers.". I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. Okay, we're going off tape now. So I'm just going to go into this other room over here. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Which is a fairly small-ish sort of town, and so does Clara. Uh, he's a master plotter. Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. Right. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. Thanks. You need to admit this. Yeah. And there behind the German lines is-. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. That is captured the nitrogen right out of the air. Well, you know, you can see that's a good thing. A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. We're going off tape now. And so Satan, basically, systematically destroys Job's life. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex boyfriend doesn't know that- that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. Right. He's bald. This next part's a little graphic. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. Hi I'm Robert Krulwich. Thank you to James Shapiro whose most recent book is called Contested Will. And Iago-, He refuses what we fully expect, and what everybody on stage, at that moment, fully expects from him. "The experiment requires that you continue.". He was t- very aggressive. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. 450 volts every shock now? Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good to be honest. She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. What does he say? So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. There's you, and there's two other participants. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslam is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. He is a soldier. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. Yeah, but those are fantasies, they're some of them actually seem like-, Okay, this is a 20 year old female. But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. I think I call it [prince-nez 00:28:23], so I'm not sure. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. That's it? He felt publicly humiliated. All rights reserved. I do not stand alone. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. That's my thing and that's where I'm going to stand on it. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die.
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